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Poster: Ole Uncle John Date: Apr 5, 2005 12:16pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Dead already have their own forums!

>But turn it around. What if ALL of the bands here that have thousands of fans were to have long threads about EACH INDIVIDUAL SONG that band has performed? Discussions would be scrolling off the front page faster than anyone would be able to respond.

Of course other bands have some fans but I think you hit it on the head as to why this site is GD music/shows heavy, FANS OF OTHER BANDS RARELY BOTHER TO WRITE. I wish they would, I read every thread about jazz or bluegrass looking for clues but there is too little of those posts. If all the GD related posts you don't like disappeared there may be no posts on the Archive and we'd all be stuck reading SHN vs. Ogg diatribes.
As to the OTHER DEAD forums, there is only so many stories about someone's dog's bandana or "I miss you Feather" one can take. and most are newbie city with nothing to gain. This site is the only one that is Live Music oriented.

>But if you want MY opinions about these shows/songs, you're going to have to ask elsewhere, because I choose not to abuse this forum.

That's too bad since you probably have some some good stuff to share ( and I don't think you'd be abusing the forum if you did so)

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Apr 6, 2005 1:37am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Dead already have their own forums!

The Grateful Dead are a rare exception to the rule. The Archive.org is, by far, the best site I've come across for downloading shows, hence it's the best place for me to post comments. The Dead's music was very unique and organic and the set lists were ever changing, songs and jams were mutating with time. They are about the only band that need to be quantified by show reviews and these "best of" lists...In consideration for non-Dead readers, I will limit my individual song threads and do more comprehensive stuff...

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Poster: xtifr Date: Apr 6, 2005 7:34am
Forum: etree Subject: underestimating the rest of the archive

> The Dead's music was very unique and organic and the set lists were ever changing, songs and jams were mutating with time.

That's true of a lot of the bands here. I particularly liked a bit from one of the Mermen's shows, where, after the first song, one of the band members says, "we're trying something different tonight - we've actually made a set list, and we're going to try to follow it." And then, after the the third song, he says, "well, so much for the set list, we've already blown that." :)

(The above may not be an exact quote; it's from the 2002-5-17 show here if anyone wants to hear for themselves. Good show, too.)

The Radiators (most underrated band on the Archive, in my opinion) have a repertoire of over 1,300 songs that they've played in whole or in part at their shows over the last 27 years, and they've never even come *close* to playing the same show twice.

While it's common for bands in general to play the same set night after night while on a tour, the bands *here* seem to tend to the other extreme. The majority of the bands that opt into the Archive (or at least the majority I've looked at) seem to be the type that have ever-changing setlists and songs and jams that mutate with time. Umphrey's McGee, the Mermen, the Radiators, Sound Tribe Sector 9 and moe. are just a few of the bands here that have truly impressed me with their organic, ever-changing shows.

Two things I really loved about Jerry were his interest in exploring new musical horizons, and his enthusiasm for supporting and encouraging new musicians. Now that he's gone, I want to continue to explore new musical horizons and listen to new musicians, rather than rehashing all the old shows over and over. And with the utter and complete death of radio, the Archive seems to be one of the few places where I can actually find new musical horizons and interesting new musicians.

When I first got into the Dead, over 30 years ago, I liked them because they were a new, innovative band blazing new trails. Now, 30+ years later, my interests are unchanged: I still want to hear new, innovative bands blazing new trails. And, after 30+ years, my interest in discussing the "best" version of Morning Dew is about as high as my interest in hearing about someone's dog's bandana.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Apr 6, 2005 9:08am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: underestimating the rest of the archive

True. It is a live music archive. Perhaps you can remember the day when you were interested in a certain Dead song or show more than a bandana for a dog, all I did was take the time to draft a resource and share my experience. Radiators and other bands here are true live, spontaneous bands in every sense of the word, I did not mean to "underestimate" this quality. The Dead are the exception in the sense that they have an almost 40 year tape trading history, factor in the size of their fanbase and the fact that live taping basically began at Grateful Dead shows.

I would appreciate some Radiators recommedations...

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Poster: direwolf2003 Date: Apr 6, 2005 9:22am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: underestimating the rest of the archive

Not too many of us are underestimating the Archive. I dl skb, bella fleck, etc. But if i want an opinion on GD, and dont want to look through 2500+ shows, i dont see a problem with asking. Strat seems to have good knwoledge on the quality of the massive GD compendium. He saves me some time - time I do spend dl ing other bands - check out Lotus also - great jazz/techno/jam band - they can reach...

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffMatt Vernon Date: Apr 6, 2005 4:26am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Dead already have their own forums!

The Archive would appreciate ideas on how to better organize or add feature extensions that would make it easier to find what you are looking for. One idea might be to have a place to have reviews of a show/performance separate from the reviews of specific seeds for that show. I'm GD centric in thinking about this where there can be a half dozen seeds for a given date.

Having some kind of introduction for each year to point to some place to start might be a good addition. Again, for the GD this might have several simple criteria like:

a). overall performance (limited to 10 each year) and why it is a top ten
b). sound quality (noteworthy sbd's and aud's)
c). exceptional individual songs (stand out against all versions ever performed, not just this year)

If people want to submit some well written, thoughtful commentary along these lines, we can think where to place them.